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Friday, June 24, 2005

Now Corzine’s Outraged

Heap invective and smear the President of the United States, high ranking administration officials, presidential appointees, members of the military, Christians, Jews and Republicans – you express no outrage.

Call fellow Americans liars, losers, war criminals, racists, brain-dead, evil, extreme, and stupid – you utter not a peep.

Attribute every conceivable sinister motive to each action taken, policy proposed and position expressed by Republicans – you offer no rebuke.

Paint a picture of the United States as the greatest force of evil in the world, Photoshop Bush into Hitler and portray the country’s prosecution of the war on terror as blood for oil – you turn a blind eye.

Seek to turn the 9/11 Memorial into a guilt complex that diminishes the memory of Americans lost in the terrorist attacks with exhibits and multimedia presentations of Abu Ghraib – you’re silence is deafening.

Liken the Vice President to Saddam Hussein and publish your first blog post on a site whose author ran a picture of the burnt bodies of American contractors ambushed in Fallujah along with this quip: "I feel nothing over the death of the mercenaries. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them." – you are energizing your voter base.

When you learned Senator Durbin had the following to say about Americans, including more than 600 New Jersey National Guard members stationed at Guantanamo Bay – you were no longer available for a photo-op and the need to call for an apology never entered your mind.

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
But when you read the following in the New York Times, you couldn’t get your press release out fast enough, demanding an apology of Karl Rove and attacking President Bush.

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Citing calls by progressive groups to respond carefully to the attacks, Mr. Rove said to the applause of several hundred audience members, "I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt when I watched the twin towers crumble to the ground, a side of the Pentagon destroyed, and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble."

Mr. Rove also said American armed forces overseas were in more jeopardy as a result of remarks last week by Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who compared American mistreatment of detainees to the acts of "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others.

"Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year? Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."
Your actions are telling Senator Corzine. Besmirch the United States, the American military, New Jersey National Guardsman and provide propaganda for the enemy and you do not rise to defend, demand apologies or resignations. Why is that Mr. Corzine? Is it because you place your party above your country, above the citizens of New Jersey you are supposed to represent? Or maybe it’s because you are in complete agreement with Senator Durbin’s statement. Maybe it’s because your reasons are all of the above.

Now when Rove pointed out the over-the-top behavior and rhetoric of a large contingent of liberals in the aftermath of 9/11, you sprang to action. Did you think Rove was attacking you? Why? Do you see yourself as a liberal who saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers? If you didn’t see yourself in Rove’s words, why do you believe you are owed an apology? Why the need to lash out?
US Senator Jon S. Corzine today called on White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove to immediately retract and apologize for his remarks regarding the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks against the United States.

“It is now nearly four years later. Osama Bin Laden remains at large. The President is floundering, his policies are failing, and the American people are fed up. And now his senior advisor – standing blocks from Ground Zero – has injected petty, partisan politics into one of the most tragic but unifying moments of American history. It’s shameful.
The American people are fed up alright. We are sick of liberals using the realities of war, Koran touching and a few jerks at Abu Ghraib to attack the President, smear the country and raise campaign contributions for the sole purpose of liberals gaining political power.

Republicans believe the country’s enemies are terrorists; you Senator act as if the Republicans are the enemy. Doubt me, read this Senator and tell us Rove didn’t speak for the majority of the country. If you don’t think so, you are totally out of touch with the mainstream.


At 6:41 AM, Blogger DBK said...

I see it's the Corzine web log again.

All attack, all the time. You're gonna get yourself a reputation.

At 8:21 AM, Blogger Ken Adams said...

Gee, g.d., that's pretty funny coming from someone who said this:
Karl Rove accuses majority of Americans of treason
Karl "I'm not a Nazi, I just act like one" Rove came to New Jersey to raise money for Doug Forrester, then went out and made a little speech in which he accused the majority of Americans of treason. Thanks Karl. Time was that treason meant selling secrets to an enemy or giving away troop movements or fighting on the side of an enemy with a gun in your hands. According to Herr Rove, treason is now defined as, "Expressing your right to disagree with the government, as protected by the Constitution."

At 9:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glass houses g.d.....you must be running out of windowpanes

At 9:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, may I say that I'm outraged that Corzine's outraged....

At 12:10 PM, Blogger DBK said...

You picked on ONE posting, which actually followed an unusually nasty speech from Rove, and you pretend that is representative of my blog. Let's do a count. You count the number of attack pieces on my front page and I'll count the ones on Enlighten NJ's front page that are mainly about Corzine and attack him and we'll compare. Do them as a percentage, okay? I'll go first.

5 attacks on Corzine, 2 attacks on Democrats, 1 smear of Democrats out of 21 pieces. That's basically 8 hate pieces out of 21 pieces all together. 38% attack.

I retract my statement. 38% attack, all the time.

Now, how much of this front page actually talks about any policy of any Republican or conservative, and especially about a policy proposal of Doug Forrester?

1 piece on Republican policy, if you can call it that. The Republicans plan to put money into the gubernatorial race. That's all there is. TO be fair, and I am fair, there are several pieces on the author's ideas about government. I give him a lot of credit for that. They're thoughtful pieces, the sort of stuff that had me thinking one could have a serious discussion with him, once upon a time. To carry the fairness further, though, some of those pieces are mainly intended to show that things are bad in New Jersey, probably as a subtle attack on the dominant party, the Democrats. If the author were to be honest, I believe he'd have to admit that. By the way, with respect to those pieces about inequality in school funding, I didn't see any mention of the quality of our schools in general. NJ was fourth in the nation last year and has been fourth or fifth for three years running. Not everything that Democrats have done in New Jersey is evil, which you would have a hard time knowing from this attack-oriented blog.

Now, where are those numbers on my place? Did you get them yet?

Okay, I'll give them for you. 17 articles that are not attacks at all. Most of them are newsy, a celebration of summer or life in general, praise for Rush Holt's bipartisan seminar in DC the other day, a statement about the beauty of the Garden State, and some support for Operation Yellow Elephant, which is an attempt to assist the military in meeting its recruitment goals. 3 pieces on Rove's remarks in which he accused me of treason. I think that's understandable. You'd be ticked off if Rove used you as a political football to draw attention away from the Downing Street Memos too. 1 piece about the dirty little politics in NJ that MIGHT be interpreted as an attack piece, except what I really wanted to attack was the lack of substance SOME sides in the gubnernatorial campaign are putting into the race.

And that is it. So, being generous about what constitutes an attack, we find 21 pieces on my site too and 4 of them that could arguably be called attack pieces. You picked one and pretended it was representative. I might call that dishonest if it wasn't such a pleasant Friday and I weren't in such a good mood.

By the way, has anyone seen Forrester on Forrester's web site? It seems to be all about Corzine. Is Forrester running for office? You read his web site, you have to figure he's running from visibility or offering any substance.

Have a great weekend you all. Enjoy the beauty that is the Garden State.

At 12:42 PM, Blogger Enlighten said...

Facts can be a pain can't they. We don't write hate pieces, we provide posts with facts. It's the facts you confuse with hate.

Let's face it FD, you hate to face the facts. Have you ever made a postive comment on this blog, we must have missed it.

We attack the ideas and policies with which we disagree. Shouldn't we have the right to call out Corzine for his actions and rhetoric?

How we wish we could write posts about how effective, cost efficient, fair and honest government was in New Jersey.

Corzine and other politicans seek to impose their will, porgrams and policies on us. We try to explain the implications of same.

If Mr. Corzine and others we take to task had an agenda and record of success and equal treatment for all, we would be all sweetness and light on this blog.

Until then, expect to be confronted with facts you obviously don't like reading.

At 2:01 PM, Blogger DBK said...

You post distortions and manipulate facts. Want an example? Look at what I wrote in this thread and what you just wrote. I wrote the word "attack". I wrote about "attack pieces". I wrote that word repeatedly. You reinterpreted it as "hate".

That qualifies as a distortion. Need I say more?

Want something positive? I wrote about New Jersey being fourth in the country in education. I guess if you want to paint everything in NJ as awful in order to push an agenda, writing that NJ has a successful education system isn't positive to you.

Oh, one other distortion I should point to. That business about "Corzine and other politicans seek to impose their will, porgrams and policies on us. We try to explain the implications of same." Have you noticed that "Corzine and other politicians" were elected by majorities of citizens? See, they call it "government"; you elect these representatives and then they do the work of governing. The guys you wanted must have lost, so any governing is therefore an "imposition of will". I don't know about your representatives in NJ, but mine are pretty responsive to what I have to say. But then, I don't spend all of my time criticizing every thing they do and I spend as much time as I can spare participating in local government. I'm on a first-name basis with my Assemblyman, state Senator, and most of my town council. I know my mayor. I voted for him. He's a Republican. I have a predominantly Democratic town council, but you'd be amazed at the depth of disagreement they have over some issues. And, oddly enough, they are actually sincere, decent people seeking to govern well and provide good public service. And that is why I mostly get disgusted with attack sites like this one. I am not governed by pictures in a paper and attack pieces on web sites. I am governed by people and I happen to make the effort to know them and to get to know their motivations.

At 11:37 PM, Blogger Enlighten said...

FD, from your 1:10 pm comment: "That's basically 8 hate pieces out of 21 pieces all together. 38% attack."

And from your 3:01 pm comment: “You post distortions and manipulate facts. Want an example? Look at what I wrote in this thread and what you just wrote. I wrote the word "attack". I wrote about "attack pieces". I wrote that word repeatedly. You reinterpreted it as "hate". That qualifies as a distortion.” Need I say more?

You used the term hate pieces and we responded. Need we say more?

From your 3:01 pm comment: “Have you noticed that "Corzine and other politicians" were elected by majorities of citizens?”

We had no idea Corzine was the Governor Of New Jersey, when did he win the election?

At 11:57 PM, Blogger DBK said...

First of all, yes, I used the term "hate" once and "attack" so many times I won't bother to count. Your point, if you have one, is awaste of my time, though you appear to like wasting your own. It's handwaving, as usual.

As for Senator Corzine, I don't suppose you noticed that the reason he is referred to as "Senator" has something to do with an election he won. Sure are a lot of things escaping your notice as you wave your hands and run away from discussions of substance, yet again, repeatedly, boringly. You're attack and attack and attack and little in the way of substance, as usual.

Which was and remains my point. You dance around it, distort information, and play sophistical games. Try again.

At 7:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The reson he is santor has something to do with an election he won." Yep, he did win it because blew more money on the election that did the other candidate. Hardly a notable distinction.

At 7:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cozine being Senator in Washington is like being a lifeguard in a car wash.

At 2:10 PM, Anonymous Ambrose said...

This won't really have success, I consider like this.


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